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Salafi fitnah on paltalk as usual

June 27, 2007

Paltalk: This is a G rated voice room intended for a General Audience including minors.  Offensive language is not permitted.Paltalk: Quran 60.8: Allah does not forbid you to be kind and equitable to those who had neither fought against your faith nor driven you out of your homes. In fact Allah loves the equitable.

piddliebuttons: i used to live right downtown, yonge and eglinton

IN_PURSUIT_OF_DEEN: sweeet

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: Assalamu’alaikum

AISHA-theDIAMONDofISLAM: wa alaykum as-salaam wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuhu

IN_PURSUIT_OF_DEEN: ws wr wb

Robin_ny: Wa alaikum as salam wa-rahmatullahi wa-barakatuhu

IN_PURSUIT_OF_DEEN: ya suuuuuuuuffiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

IN_PURSUIT_OF_DEEN: sheikhul azhar

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: ooo

IN_PURSUIT_OF_DEEN: looooooooool

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: do I know you IN PURSUIT?

IN_PURSUIT_OF_DEEN: ya3ni…anna friend

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: which friend?

IN_PURSUIT_OF_DEEN: friend as salafiya

IN_PURSUIT_OF_DEEN: lo0ol

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: refresh my memory

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: salafiya?

IN_PURSUIT_OF_DEEN: friend as salafiya jihadiya

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: o.O

IN_PURSUIT_OF_DEEN: lo0ol

IN_PURSUIT_OF_DEEN: hehehe

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: er

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: lol

IN_PURSUIT_OF_DEEN: ya sheikhul azhar

IN_PURSUIT_OF_DEEN: lo0ol

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: do I know you on msn?

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: are you oxy?

IN_PURSUIT_OF_DEEN: **hugs this sufi

IN_PURSUIT_OF_DEEN: nah man

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie:    

IN_PURSUIT_OF_DEEN: friendfornida

IN_PURSUIT_OF_DEEN: lo0ol

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: ooo

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: LOL

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: ahaha

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: friendfornida

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: ewwww

IN_PURSUIT_OF_DEEN: hehehehe

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: LoL

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: ahahaha

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: YO YO!

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: wazzupp?

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: loll

IN_PURSUIT_OF_DEEN: nm man

IN_PURSUIT_OF_DEEN: i think we are disturbing the room

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: lol er

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: well nobody’s talkin

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: on text

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: except us

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: lol

IN_PURSUIT_OF_DEEN: they are watchin us like hawks

muslim_always: ***** Start WhisperMay Allah guide your heart away from sufism. Ameen

 ***** End Whisper

**COMMENT:

-Guide me away from sufism? ..masha’Allah..such concern

 IN_PURSUIT_OF_DEEN: lo0ol

abu ayyub al-bukhari: assalamu alaikum

IN_PURSUIT_OF_DEEN: ws wr wb

AISHA-theDIAMONDofISLAM: wa alaykum as-salaam wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuhu

Robin_ny: Wa alaikum as salam wa-rahmatullahi wa-barakatuhu

joyshannel: walikum as salaam wa rahmatullah wa barakatu

Paltalk: ***** Your whisper was not sent because this person’s privacy settings has restricted it.

muslim_always: walaikum salam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: ***** Start WhisperMay Allah guide your heart away from sufism. Ameen ***** End Whisper

Robin_ny: sure

Paltalk: Your last text messsage was not sent because it contained line feed characters or excess spaces.

IN_PURSUIT_OF_DEEN: time up

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: lol muslim-always

IN_PURSUIT_OF_DEEN: ok

Robin_ny: no continue

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: May Allah guide your heart towards sufism

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: Ameen

IN_PURSUIT_OF_DEEN: 6

IN_PURSUIT_OF_DEEN: 😀

Robin_ny: 5

pillarsIN_PURSUIT_OF_DEEN: ghaib

IN_PURSUIT_OF_DEEN: 😀

joyshannel: what :O

joyshannel: onomat what is sufi?

AISHA-theDIAMONDofISLAM: i dont want dua towards deviants in here

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IN_PURSUIT_OF_DEEN:  there are 6@tobin

IN_PURSUIT_OF_DEEN: robin**

IN_PURSUIT_OF_DEEN: saw

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: sufi is basically one who follows the path of tasawwuf

Paltalk: (PS) Your text messsages are currently disabled in this room.

**COMMENT:

-I got dotted cause I supplicated that someone be brought to sufism…lol…a salafi then went to the microphone as started making the biggest fitnah i’ve ever heard..he started saying that sufism is just like hinduism whereby we can be ONE with God ! nastaghfirullah!

PURSUIT_OF_DEEN: ya joy..i wanna coem to bc

IN_PURSUIT_OF_DEEN: come**

Super Takfiri Salafi shows character

June 19, 2007

The following is a brief exchange I had with another pseudo-salafi on paltalk at around 7.00 to 7.10 pm Malaysian time, Tuesday, 6/19/2007.

 You just sent a nudge!

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: Assalamu’alaikum

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: check out my blog at https://neosalafism.wordpress.com jzk

islaam22: walikum

islaam22: i am gonna hack your blog

islaam22: and destroy the website

**COMMENT:

-A Muslim hacker? well isn’t that new? lol…anyway..I await his hacking….

 Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: o.O

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: lol masha’Allah

islaam22: you mushrik

islaam22: go and worship your graves

islaam22: you grave licking sufi

**COMMENT:

– This person has made takfir upon me to which I shall say LA ILA HA ILLALLAH MUHAMMAD RASULULLAH!!!!. He then encourages me to go WORSHIP graves??? subahanallah ! What kind of da’wah is inviting people to commit shirk??? 

If you look above you’ll see that I said the salam to him. Allah s.w.t. says : 

“If a person, to show that he is a Muslim, presents salaam to you, do not just say to him, without investigations, You are not a believer.” (The Holy Quran, 4:94) 

The Sunnah says :

1.“Whenever a man accuses another of being a kafir or wrong-doer, this accusation will rebound on him if the one accused is not in reality a kafir or wrong-doer.” (Bukhari) 

2.“The man who calls another kafir or enemy of God, and the latter was not such, this charge will indeed turn back upon the accused.” (Muslim)  Imam Abu al-Qasim ibn

`Asakir narrates in Tabyin Kadhib al-Muftari (p. 373-) with his chains :

3. From `Ubayd Allah ibn `Umar, from Nafi`: A man said to Ibn `Umar: “I have a neighbor who bears witness against me that I commit shirk.” He replied: “Say: ‘La Ilaha illAllah,’ you will make him a liar.”**TO WHICH I SHALL AGAIN SAY LA ILA HA ILLALLAH MUHAMMAD RASULULLAH !!!!!! 

4. From Sawwar ibn Shabib al-A`raji: I was sitting in Ibn `Umar’s house when a man came and said: “O Ibn `Umar! There are groups of people bearing witness against us and attributing to us kufr and shirk.” Ibn `Umar replied: “Woe to you! Did you not say: ‘La Ilaha IllAllah’?!” Whereupon the entire household began to say La Ilaha IllAllah until the house was shaking. 

5. From al-A`mash, from Abu Sufyan: We came to see Jabir ibn `Abd Allah who lived in Makkah and resided with the Banu Fihr. A man asked him: “Did you [the Companions] use to call anyone from the People of the Qibla [i.e. Muslims], ‘Mushrik’?” He replied: “I seek refuge in Allah.” The man continued: “Did you call anyone from them ‘Kafir’?” He said: “No.”

6. From Sawwar ibn Shabib al-A`raji: I was sitting in Ibn `Umar’s house when a man came and said: “O Ibn `Umar! There are groups of people bearing witness against us and attributing to us kufr and shirk.” Ibn `Umar replied: “Woe to you! Did you not say: ‘La Ilaha IllAllah’?!” Whereupon the entire household began to say La Ilaha IllAllah until the house was shaking. 

7. From Khaddash ibn `Iyash: We were sitting in a circle in al-Kufa when a man among us said: “We were sitting with Abu Hurayra whereupon a young man passed by. A man sitting with us said: ‘This is a Kafir from among the people of the Fire.’ Abu Hurayra rose and went to speak with the young man, asking him: ‘Who are you?’ He replied: ‘Son-and-so, son of So-and-so.’ Abu Hurayra said: ‘Allah have mercy on your father!’ The young man was looking around, so he asked him: ‘What are you looking for?’ He replied: ‘I have not prayed yet.’ Abu Hurayra said: ‘So you pray?’ The young man replied: ‘Subhan Allah!’ Abu Hurayra: ‘And you say Subhan Allah?’ He said: ‘La Ilaha illAllah!!’ Abu Hurayra: ‘And you say La Ilaha illAllah?’ The young man said: ‘I would prefer not to leave Salat even if I were given all there is on the face of the earth.’ Abu Hurayra said: ‘Allah have mercy on you. Allah have mercy on you. Allah have mercy on you.’ Then he came back to his seat in the circle and said: ‘I heard the Messenger of Allah say: “Whoever bears testimony against a Muslim of which the latter is not deserving, let him prepare for his seat in the Fire.” Further Hadith :

1. “Three things are the basis of faith. [One is] to withhold from one who says ‘There is no god but Allah’ — do not call him kafir for any sin, nor expel him from Islam for any misconduct.”
(Abu Dawud, Book of Jihad, 15:33)

2. “Call not the people of your Qibla [i.e. those who face the Ka‘ba in Makka for prayer] as kafir.”
(Al-Nihaya of Ibn Athir, vol. iv, p. 187)

LAST BUT NOT LEAST :

“Withhold [your tongues] from those who say ‘There is no god but Allah’ — do not call them kafir. Whoever calls a reciter of ‘There is no god but Allah’ as a kafir, is nearer to being a kafir himself.”
(Tabarani, reported from Ibn Umar)

 Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: masha’Allah

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: who taught you this commendable ‘adab ya akhi?

islaam22: ISLAAM does

islaam22: i have to hate you

islaam22: because you preach shirk

**COMMENT:

– Islam teaches him the adab of calling Muslims mushrik??? He has to hate me because I preach shirk? What shirk have I ever preached???? I would very much like to see where the Prophet s.a.w. or his companions ever called one who testified the shahadah MUSHRIK and where he commanded to hate fellow Muslims. 

 

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: o.O

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: masha’Allah

islaam22: there is no difference between you and abu jahel

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: ooo

islaam22: abu jahel said ya al lat

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: subahanallah

islaam22: and you go to the grave of the prophet

islaam22: and say ya rasul

**COMMENT:

– There is no difference between me and abu jahal because he says Ya Al Lat and I say Ya Rasul at the Prophet’s grave? First of all..i’ve never been to Medina. So I have never had the chance to visit the Prophet’s grave..let alone call upon him there. Second of all..let us have a look at what the textual evidence has to say about this issue. 

Can we say Ya Rasul or Ya Fulan fulan at the grave? 

Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) came to the graveyard and said: “Assalam-o-Alaika Ya Ahlil Qabur” “Peace be upon you! O the abode of the believing people and we, if God so wills, are about to join you. I love to see my brothers. They (the hearers) said: Aren’t we your brothers-Messenger of Allah? He said: You are my companions, and our brothers are those who have, so far, not come into the world.” Sahih Muslim, Book 002, Number 0482, se also: Sahih Muslim, Book 002, Number 0482, and Sahih Muslim, Book 002, Number 0483, and Sahih Muslim, Book 004, Number 2126

 YA RABBI!!! The Prophet s.a.w. CALLED UPON THE DEAD !!!!!!! shall we make takfir on him now??? NA’UDHUBILLAH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

From the Sahabi Malik al-Dar:
The people suffered a drought in `Umar’s khilafa, whereupon a man[Bilal ibn al- Harith – according to ibn Hajar] came to the grave of the Prophet (alayhi salaat wa salaam) and said: “Oh Messenger of Allah! Ask for rain for your Community, for verily they have but perished.” After this the Prophet(alayhi salaat wa salaam) appeared to him in a dream and told him: “Go to `Umar and give him my greeting, then tell him that they will be watered. Tell him: Be clever!” The man went and told `Umar. The latter wept and said: “My Lord! I spare no effort except in what escapes my power.”
 
 Related by Ibn Abū Shaybah in al-Musannaf (12:31-2#12051); Bayhaqī, Dalā’il-un-nubuwwah (7:47); Ibn ‘Abd-ul-Barr, al-Istī‘āb fī ma‘rifat-il-ashāb (2:464); Subkī, Shifā’-us-siqām fī ziyārat khayr-il-anām (p.130); ‘Alā’-ud-Dīn ‘Alī, Kanz-ul-‘ummāl (8:431#23535); and Abū Ya‘lā Khalīl bin ‘Abdullāh Khalīlī Qazwīnī in Kitāb-ul-irshād fī ma‘rifat ‘ulamā’-il-hadith (1:313-4), as quoted by Mahmūd Sa‘īd Mamdūh in Raf‘-ul-minārah (p.262).
(Musannaf ibn Abi Shaybah vol.12 pg.31-32; Dalaailun-nubuwwah of Imaam Bayhaqi vol.7 pg.47). 
 

YA RABBI !!!! Al-SAHABAH Bilal Bin Harith CALLED UPON PROPHET MUHAMMAD s.a.w. FOR HELP!!!!!! Shall we make takfir on him????? NA’UDHUBILLAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

The fallacious comparison between the Quraisy paganistic worship and the concept of tawassul as approved by Qur’an and Sunnah, practiced by Muslims :

 When the Quraisy pagans called upon their idols, they believed them to have the capacity to grant them things or wishes. Their idolatry involved attributing divinity and godhood to such figures as Al Lat. The Muslims of Ahl Sunnah Wal Jama’ah when doing tawassul for instance through Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. never fall into the blunders of the age of jahiliyyah. We do not think that Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. has the ability to grant us things by his own accord. Ultimately, our goal is Allah s.w.t. The Prophet s.a.w. is used simply as a short cut to him as he has been granted a high maqam or status i.e. shafa’a by Allah s.w.t.  We do not worship nor pray to the grave of Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. or anybody’s grave for that matter! Worship is for Allah and Allah alone! Those who reject the permissibility of doing tawassul and its benefits as approved by the Qur’an and Sunnah and further validated by the true ulama’ of Islam have fallen into jahiliyyah themselves. May Allah s.w.t. guide all of us unto the right path.

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: o.O

islaam22: do you pray behind us salafis?

islaam22: hey sufi

islaam22: answer me

**COMMENT:

– Yes, I do pray behind salafis. 

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: this text is saved and will appear on my blog very shortly…along with comments and explanations backed by textual evidence from the Sunnah

islaam22: dont run away like a chicken

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: jzk

islaam22: sufi do you pray behind salafis?

islaam22: sufi answer me

islaam22: u chicken

**COMMENT:

I do not take pleasure in speaking with a fitnah maker, thus I left him and ended the conversation.

***TEXT ENDS*** 

Cheap attacks from Sayed_Al_Farsi against sufism

June 19, 2007

 Assalamu’alaikum Warahmatullah.

As usual, our good Wahabi “Imam” Sayed_Al_Farsi from paltalk is at it again, trying “his best” to outsmart me. The following is a conversation I had with him last night. I think it was around 1 to 2 am Malaysian time.

Sayed_Al_Mujahed: hey ono

**COMMENT:-If you’ve noticed in the other articles involving this person and this one as well, Sayed has embraced the “Sunnah” of Shakespeare in substitution of the Sunnah of Rasulullah s.a.w. Howdie, Hi, Hello etc….no salam? 

Sayed_Al_Mujahed: you are university student right ?

Sayed_Al_Mujahed: in malaysia ?

Sayed_Al_Mujahed just sent you a nudge!

Sayed_Al_Mujahed: ?

Sayed_Al_Mujahed just sent you a nudge!

Sayed_Al_Mujahed:    

**COMMENT:– I was in my room “The Science of Tasawwuf is the Heart of Islam” explaining things to a couple of people who were enquiring about a variety of subjects.

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: Assalamu’alaikum

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: yes

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: i am in uni

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: in malaysia

Sayed_Al_Mujahed: cool

Sayed_Al_Mujahed: you also studied under Dr Naik right ?

Sayed_Al_Mujahed: why silent ?  was it a fib ?

Sayed_Al_Mujahed:    

Sayed_Al_Mujahed just sent you a nudge!

Sayed_Al_Mujahed: thank you for admitted to fibbing

 **COMMENT:– Once again, this good brother of ours have failed to complete his obligation in answering the salam. 1. The Prophet (SAW)made spreading salaam a part of faith. Bukhari and Muslim narrated from ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Umar that a man asked the Messenger of Allaah (SAW): “What is the best thing in Islam?” He said, “Feeding others and giving the greeting of salaam to those whom you know and those whom you do not know.”2. Ibn Rajab said in al-Fath (1/43): “The hadeeth makes the connection between feeding others and spreading salaam because this combines good actions in both word and deed, which is perfect good treatment (ihsaan). Indeed, this is the best thing that you can do in Islam after the obligatory duties.”3. Al-Sanoosi said in Ikmaal al-Mu’allim (1/244):  “What is meant by salaam is the greeting between people, which sows seeds of love and friendship in their hearts, as does giving food. There may be some weakness in the heart of one of them, which is dispelled when he is greeted, or there may be some hostility, which is turned to friendship by the greeting.”4. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) made spreading salaam a part of faith. Al-Bukhaari (12, 28 and 6236), Muslim (39), Ahmad (2/169), Abu Dawood (5494), al-Nisaa’i, (8/107) and Ibn Hibbaan (505) narrated from ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Umar that a man asked the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): What is the best thing in Islam? He said, Feeding others and giving the greeting of salaam to those whom you know and those whom you do not know.
5.  Narrated from Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:
You will not enter Paradise until you believe, and you will not believe until you love one another. Shall I not tell you about something which, if you do it, you will love one another? Spread salaam amongst yourselves.
Muslim (54), Ahmad (2/391), and al-Tirmidhi (2513).6. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) commanded us to return salaams, and made it a right and a duty. Ahmad (2/540), al-Bukhaari (1240), Muslim (2792), al-Nisaa’i in al-Yawm wal-Laylah (221) and Abu Dawood (5031) all reported that Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: The Muslim has five rights over his fellow-Muslim: he should return his salaams, visit him when he is sick, attend his funeral, accept his invitation, and pray for mercy for him [say Yarhamuk Allaah] when he sneezes.Our brothers of the wahabi movement claim to be ahl hadith..perhaps they should to walk the talk. – Sayed asked me if I studied with Dr. Zakir Naik, the speaker and da’i from India to which I responded below about a few minutes later. Seemingly lax in patience he asks why I’m not  answering his question IMMEDIATELY and thereafter concludes that I fibbed(lied) and thanked me for admitting it(when I never admitted to anything?). First of all, I do not come on paltalk to serve Sayed_Al_farsi and Sayed_Al_Farsi alone 24/7. Second of all, with all due respect…I am not his butler who’s at his back and call. As I mentioned earlier I was in the middle of a rather serious conversation with several others. I’m a human being with only a pair of brains(the two hemispheres lol)..perhaps the likes of Sayed could ponder on the hadith “Al-Sabr Minal Imaan” and give others a break before hastily come to baseless conclusions.

 

Sayed_Al_Mujahed: this text has been saved 

Sayed_Al_Mujahed: once again …

Sayed_Al_Mujahed: my “Paltalks Devil Deception of The Suffi”  site should be up soon insha’Allah 

Sayed_Al_Mujahed: “Paltalks Devils Deception of The Suffi”   ..sounds cool hey ?   

**COMMENT:  – lol Alhamdulillah…I usually take the initiative to save the ever interesting exchanges I have with habibi Sayed and post it on my blog thereafter. I look forward to his upcoming site with the utmost “trepedition” :).  

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie:

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: right

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: no..i never studied under Dr Zakir Naik

Sayed_Al_Mujahed: you said you did ?

Sayed_Al_Mujahed: did you not /

Sayed_Al_Mujahed: ?

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: he doesn’t teach at www.iiu.edu.my

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: lol

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: not that I recall

 **COMMENT:– It is possible Sayed_Al_Farsi has mistaken me for another person. I have never studied under Dr. Zakir Naik.

 

Sayed_Al_Mujahed: so you never mentioned Zakir Naik in Malaysia and his association with you , ever ?

Sayed_Al_Mujahed: thank you 

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: i’ve never been associated with him personally

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: i’ve studied with his student though

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: at an Islamic establishment here

Sayed_Al_Mujahed: ahh i see

Sayed_Al_Mujahed: his student ?

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: yes

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: he works at the IIS Foundation

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: a company dedicated to da’wah

Sayed_Al_Mujahed: thats interesting point there …since Dr Naik condemns Suffism as a Paganistic Practice here – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=319_wWmlAok&mode=related&search=

Sayed_Al_Mujahed: Thank you …This text has been Saved

Sayed_Al_Mujahed:    

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: right

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: lol

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: Dr. Zakir Naik is not a faqih..just so you know

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: yes..this text is saved

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: and will appear on my blog very soon

Sayed_Al_Mujahed:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=319_wWmlAok&mode=related&search=   

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: i look forward to seeing your website, blog or whatever it is

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: jzk

Sayed_Al_Mujahed: you studied with his Student …yet he is not a Faqih , looooooooooooool …what does that make you ?

Sayed_Al_Mujahed: Ameen

Sayed_Al_Mujahed:    

**COMMENT:–  How does studying with the student of a teacher automatically makes that teacher a faqih? I wonder if Sayed knows what the word faqih means in the technical fiqhi sense?  

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: ….

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: at least i studied with a Muslim

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: whom are you studying with at your university?

Sayed_Al_Mujahed: ahaha

Sayed_Al_Mujahed: right

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: who are ur lecturers?

Sayed_Al_Mujahed: you studies …but it seems you havent learnt anything

**COMMENT:-When I said “at least I studied with a Muslim”, that was in specific reference to the student of Dr. Zakir Naik. And what I studied with him for 2 days was COMPARATIVE RELIGION which had absolutely no bearing whatsoever on the subject of “sufism” . The person whom I’m speaking about is also a manager(his name is Shah Kirit) of one of the branches of a local Islamic bookstore franchise called SABA ISLAMIC MEDIA at Maju Junction Mall, Kuala Lumpur..JUST BY THE WAY…his store sells classical manuals of SUFISM!!! LoL 

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: your logic’s very poor my brother

Sayed_Al_Mujahed: *studied

Sayed_Al_Mujahed: ok thank you dude

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: the study was only for 2 days?

Sayed_Al_Mujahed: I must be on my way now

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: and it dealt only on comparative religion

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: i have the certificate 

Sayed_Al_Mujahed: right …only 2 days

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: i might publish it on my blog for you to have a look at

Sayed_Al_Mujahed: Take care Sir , Allah(swt) guide you

Sayed_Al_Mujahed: Ameen

Sayed_Al_Mujahed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=319_wWmlAok&mode=related&search=

Sayed_Al_Mujahed: have a look at that by the way

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: may Allah guide all of us

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: Assalamu’alaikum

Sayed_Al_Mujahed:    

Sayed_Al_Mujahed: Ameen

**COMMENT-Failed to answer my salam yet again? masha’Allah      

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Sayed_Al_Mujahed: ok before I put it on the site

Sayed_Al_Mujahed: ahh doesnt matter …I have enough info

Sayed_Al_Mujahed: 1 of Dr Naiks Student (one of the most respected and well known Daees/Scholars in the world)  , gave you a certificate after 2 days of Study

Sayed_Al_Mujahed: Jazak Allh

**COMMENT:-Yes, Dr. Zakir Naik is a well respected speaker, active da’ee and even a scholar(one who devotes his life to study). However, as I mentioned earlier..he is not a qualified faqih(specialist in Shari’ah) or even a scholar of Islamic sciences(except muqaranat al-adyan)..he is as he himself has stated many a time at his talks, a DOCTOR of medicine and a STUDENT of comparative religion. In addition, the good doctor declared at a meeting with Indian reporters on the subject “Is Religious Fundamentalism a Stumbling Block?” that he is entitled to make fatwas(which he explained to mean opinion, linguistically) but he goes further to say that his “fatwas” in LEGAL AFFAIRS i.e. Shari’ah will not carry any weight because “I am not a qualified qadhi(judge)” or even Mufti(again in the fiqhi sense) if I myself might add. In brief, we may surmise that nobody doubts Dr. Zakir Naik’s credebility in the field of comparative religion(muqaranat al-adyan) and da’wah but in the field of Islamic Shari’ah and other Islamic sciences his voice is of no consequence(he does not have the right to make legal fatawa or rulings). Below is a scanned copy of the certificate I received from Mr. Shah Kirit, the student of Dr. Zakir Naik for attending a course he gave at the main branch of Saba Islamic Media in Setiawangsa, Kuala Lumpur on Comparative Religion.      Sayed_Al_Mujahed is now offline.

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A new brother runs away from Wahabism

June 15, 2007

Tarheel_D: hi, do you like hamza yusef?
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: what’s not to like??
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: of course
Tarheel_D: well, i’m new to the study of islam – but i read in one place that he was not good. so i was not sure.
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: he was not good?
Tarheel_D: yes, this man told me that he (hamza) was too wanting to give in to western thought.
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: …
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: did he produce any examples?
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: the wahabis love to make fitnah
Tarheel_D: i have his email, i’ll show you.
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: on Sheikh Hamza Yusuf
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: please do
Tarheel_D: dear brother may allah reward u, thank you for taking the time to email me. hamaza yousef is a coward that sucks from the tit of capitalism. he is quick to assist and defend the kafir president of the usa and the danish kufar and is hard on the muslims. zaytuna’s duty is to instill passiveness into american muslims and have them work on jihad al naffs in a way that the prophet mohamid alehi salat w salam never did. may i suggest dear akhi this school http://www.islamiconlineuniversity.com/ .

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: suck tits of passivism???
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: la hawla wala quwata illa billah
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: capitalism???
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: subahanallah
Tarheel_D: yes, he was angry as i took it
Tarheel_D: but i wondered about this brothers islaam.
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: this is a clear lie
Tarheel_D: this brother who emailed me.
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: and blatant
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: attack on the learned Sheikh
Tarheel_D: are you american?
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: no
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: i’m Malaysian
Tarheel_D: ah, and you like the sheik?
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: of course
Tarheel_D: this is the man’s website http://www.al-buruj.com/
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: check out my blog http://neosalafism.blogspot.com
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: the issues that the wahabis
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: have against Sheikh Hamza is addressed on my blog
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: they are nothing more than liars
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: of the highest order
Tarheel_D: well i see on your website, you have sheiks to be avoided. so this man says to avoid hamza and you say to avoid these. how are people new to islam supposed to know the truth?
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: check out the proofs provided bro
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: are you new to Islam?
Tarheel_D: in your site?
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: akhi..if a person is a fake scholar..would you suggest him for the new revert?
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: of course not
Tarheel_D: yes, i’m new. as i have seen wahabbi or salafi seem to be very extreme.
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: the lies that the wahabis have on sheikh hamza
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: are nothing more than cheap attacks
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: they are very extreme
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: they will not accept differences
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: everything that is not in line with their beliefs and doctrine
Tarheel_D: yes, that is how it seems
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: approved by their scholars of Islam
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: i.e. Ibn baz and Albani
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: will be rejected without hesitation
Tarheel_D: but i thought in islam there are different schools
Tarheel_D: is hamza yusef a sufi?
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: yes he is
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: he is of the Maliki school of thought
Tarheel_D: can any sunni be a sufi?
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: LOL of course habibi
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: a sunni should be a sufi
Tarheel_D: i thought that sunni’s didn’t like sufi’s
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: lol only wahabis hate sufis
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: ya habibi
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: sufis are part of sunnism
Tarheel_D: so they are seen as a division?
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: yes
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: wahabism in truth is out of ahl sunnah waljama’ah
Tarheel_D: so anyone from any madhab can practice sufism? i assumed that sufism was a madhab in itself
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: no brother
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: sufism
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: or tasawwuf is a science in Islam
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: it is not another madhab
Tarheel_D: now it’s making more sense.
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: alhamdulillah
Tarheel_D: so in the room “islam answers back” are they mostly salafi?
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: yes
Tarheel_D: yes, it’s mostly such fighting and putting down. it’s hard to learn anything
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: mhm
Tarheel_D: is this room open often?
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: daily
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: for at least 12 hours
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: per day
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: or more
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: or sometimes less
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: depend
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: depends*
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: \it’s usually open at this time yea
Tarheel_D: oh. i have been going to islam answers back for so long and have learned so little. i think i have wasted so much time.
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: subahanallah bro
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: akhi check out this website
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: http://www.sunnipath.com
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: you can learn much here
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: even take courses
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: from traditional scholars of Islam
Tarheel_D: thank you akhi, i need to know where to go to learn true islam.
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: that is the best website bro
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: if you cannot travel
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: though my suggestion to you
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: is to seek a sheikh in Islam
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: of Ahl Sunnah Wal Jama’ah
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: do not fall into the pit of lies of the wahabis
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: approach a traditional scholar and ask humbly to become his student
Tarheel_D: unfortunately, there is not even a masjid near me at all. and i think this is the difficulty – hard to know what is true on the internet.
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: subahanallah
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: habibi…trust me…though you do not know me…I swear by Allah that the website http://www.sunnipath.com is absolutely trustworthy
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: it is run by true qualified scholars of Islam
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: who’s ijazat is traced back to the prophet s.a.w.
Tarheel_D: thank you akhi
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: they have many courses that you can undertake
Tarheel_D: yes, i’m looking now.
Tarheel_D: akhi, may i add you as a friend here on paltalk?
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: of course brother
Tarheel_D: thank you. i was beginning to lose a bit of faith, allah forgive me. thinking that wahabism was the true islam – but those people continued to discourage me.
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: masha’Allah ya habibi
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: May Allah s.w.t. make the path easy for you
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: and help us all in our journeys and search for true ‘ilm
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: Ameen
Tarheel_D: ameen
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: Habibi…do you mind if I posted this private text on my blog?
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: post*
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: or would you like it to remain private?
Tarheel_D: no, it’s fine
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: jazakumullah bro

Alhamdulillah. May Allah s.w.t. make the path easy for all of us.Ameen.

An evening exchange with a Wahabi

June 15, 2007
7:15 pm, Thursday, 6/14/2007, Paltalk, 
Social Issues Section, Sub Section Humanities, 
Room Tasawwuf is the  of Ahl Heart of Islam.

As I entered the room, brother scally_chris my comrade was on the microphone giving references from the Qur’an, the Sunnah and scholars about the issue of “Is the Prophet Alive in his grave?”. I pmed(private messaged) brother Tridax who was also in the room and asked him what’s going on.
Tridax: assalamualaikum
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: ws wr
Tridax: just in time as usual
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: o.O
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: what’s the topic exactly?
Tridax: she is ok
Tridax: an open minded salafi sister
Tridax: whether dead can pray for us
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: oic
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: who’s sam?
Tridax: he seems a knowledgeable brother but not sympathetic to sufis
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: o.O
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: lol
Tridax: he was responding to some questions of shakira
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: oic
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: he rejects the Prophet s.a.w is alive in the grave?
Tridax: yes
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: subahanallah
Tridax: i gave the verse in the quran that shaheeds are live
Tridax: he just ignores
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: i will take the mic and emphasise what chris has stated
Tridax: 002.154
YUSUFALI: And say not of those who are slain in the way of Allah: “They are dead.” Nay, they are living, though ye perceive (it) not.

“This knowledgeable brother”(sam4546) as I found out later was a wahabi and an avid follower of Albani.

After scally_chris had completed his piece, it was sam4546’s turn on the microphone. When he came on, he started saying “okay, you produced the Qur’anic verse “And say not of those who are slain in the way of Allah: “They are dead.” Nay, they are living, though ye perceive (it) not.”, Ibn Hajar mentioned in Fath Al-Bari that if the shuhada’/martyrs are alive than how can the Prophet s.a.w be dead? But you see, Ibn Hajar was just a man, man make mistakes…..” This is when I first dotted him(he was dotted 3 times in all). After dotting him I went straight for the mic and sternly warned him not to belittle Ibn Hajar Al-Asqalani and informed him that many scholars besides have used the verse and applied qiyas(analogy) to affirm that the Prophets are alive in their grave along with many ahadith which speak about the issue specifically. I then told him of the saheeh hadith from Rasulullah s.a.w. which says “My Ummah will not agree upon an error” and that I would rather take the explanation of the likes of Ibn Hajar Al-Asqalani r.a. any second of the day than the claims of a paltalker. I said all of this with the thinking that the person rejects the fact that the Prophet s.a.w. was alive to which I was later corrected by this wahabi brother.

INTERMISSION(sam4546 goes for salah and returns about 10 minutes later)

The conversation continues.
I was on the microphone when the brother came in. I was quite ecstatic. I informed him the microphone will be handed to him after i’ve given him some ahadith about the Prophet’s s.a.w. state in the grave.
1st Hadith :
“Al-Anbiya’ Ahaya’un fi quburihim yusallun”
“The Prophets are alive in their graves worshipping their Lord”
Sharh by Sheikh GF Haddad :
A sound (sahih) tradition related on the authority of Anas ibn Malik (r) by: al-Bazzar in his Musnad, Abu Ya`la in his Musnad, Ibn `Adi in al-Kamil fi al-du`afa’, Tammam al-Razi in al-Fawa’id, al-Bayhaqi in Hayat al-anbiya’ fi quburihim, Abu Nu`aym in Akhbar Asbahan, Ibn `Asakir in Târeekh Dimashq, al-Haythami in Majma` al-zawa’id (8:211), al-Suyuti in Anbâ’ al-adhkiya’ bi-hayat al-anbiya’ (#5), and EVEN al-Albani, in Silsilat al-ahadith al-sahihah (#621).

I then declared that this is DEFINITE proof that the Prophet s.a.w. is alive in his grave. In addition, I said that when we go to his grave, we may speak to him and he can listen(i brought this up because salafis love to make an issue out of it). I thus produced the following hadith to substantiate my claim:

2nd hadith :
“Man Salla `alayya `inda qabri sami`tuhu, wa man Salla `alayya nâ’iyan bullightuhu”
“Whoever invokes blessings on me at my grave, I hear him, and whoever invokes blessings on me from afar, I am informed about it.”
Ibn Hajar says in FatH al-Bâri 6:379: “Abu al-Shaykh cites it with a good chain (sanad jayyid),” and Bayhaqi mentions it in Hayât al-anbiyâ with “ublightuhu” in the end.

Before I went off the microphone, I informed the person to please not come up and reject the hadiths I provided lest he become a Quranist like how some wahabis have become.

sam4546 takes the mic. He starts accusing me of being unfair and that I’m not following the discussion and that i’m rude for just barging in the conversation like how I did. After all those compliments he said “no, you see I don’t reject those hadiths, they’re right and true. The Prophet s.a.w is alive in his grave. But the question that arise now is how is he alive? is he alive like us?”(I already informed the room about this that when we say the prophet s.a.w. is alive in the grave we’re not saying that he is alive exactly as how we the living on earth are alive) He then said, we have to know that he died like any other man and thereafter presented some verses from the Qur’an speaking about Prophet Muhammad’s s.a.w. humanity. In the meanwhile, on text I was asking him, okay fine you agree with the hadiths and that the Prophet s.a.w is alive in his grave, in ‘alam barzakh in another state..so what exactly is the issue?(as I stated earlier I thought the issue was this person rejecting the fact that Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. is alive in his grave). Without answering my questions, he just droned on until he reached the part where things became clear. He started saying you see..”Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. died and those who have died cannot help you or intercede for you.” He added that intercession from the Prophet s.a.w. is only valid when he was alive and in the hereafter not after he passed away and when he’s dead(the ahl sunnah wal jama’ah usually do not say he’s dead since the Sunnah attests that he’s alive[plus we agreed that he’s alive in his grave], what’s going on here is common wahabi script). He then produced some Qur’anic verses to support his case without giving references or proper translations for the people in the room who do not understand arabic(i don’t either in fact, well not perfectly anyway). He went on and on until he got dotted yet again.

I took the microphone and congratulated him in affirming the fact that Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. is alive in his grave. I went straight to the point and said akhi…about your claim that the dead cannot pray(help) or intercede for us here are some ahadith that may shed some light on the issue:

1st Hadith:

Ibn Mas’ud reported that the Messenger of Allah said,”Hayâti khayrun lakum tuHaddithuna wa yuHaddathu lakum fa idha muttu kânat wafâti khayran lakum tu`raDu `alayya a`mâlukum fa in ra’aytu khayran hamidtu allaha wa in ra’aytu ghayra dhâlik istaghfartu Allaha lakum”

“My life is a great good for you, you will relate about me and it will be related to you, and my death is a great good for you, your actions will be presented to me (in my grave) and if I see goodness I will praise Allah, and if see other than that I will ask forgiveness of him (for you).”
Brief Sharh from Sheikh Dr. GF Haddad :
Qadi `Iyad cites it in “al-Shifa” (1:56 of the Amman edition) and Suyuti said in his “Manahil al-safa fi takhrij ahadith al-shifa” (Beirut 1988/1408) p. 31 (#8): “Ibn Abi Usama cites it in his Musnad from the hadith of Bakr ibn `Abd Allah al-Mazni, and al-Bazzar from the hadith of Ibn Mas`ud with a sound (sahih) chain.”

Sharh provided by brother superfaa:
The hadith has a sound chain as stated by al-Suyuti in Manahil al-Safa (p. 31 #8) and al-Khasa’is al-Kubra (2:281), and a sound chain according to al-Haythami (9:24 #91), and a sound chain according to al-`Iraqi in Tarh al-Tathrib (3:297), also Shaykh `Abd Allah al-Talidi said in his Tahdhib al-Khasa’is al-Kubra (p. 458-459 #694) that this chain is sound according to Muslim’s criterion, and Shaykh Mahmud Mamduh in Raf`al-Minara (p. 156-169) discusses it at length and declares it sound. Their shaykh, al-Sayyid `Abd Allah ibn al-Siddiq al-Ghumari (d. 1413/1993) declared it sound in his monograph Nihaya al-Amal fi Sharh wa Tashih Hadith `Ard al-A`mal.), Al-Munawi also declared it sahîh(Al-Munawi in Fayd al-Qadir (3:401), and so did al-Zurqani in his commentary on al-Qastallani’s al-Mawahib al-Laduniyya, and Shihab al-Din al-Khafaji in Al-Khafaji, Sharh al-Shifa’ (1:102), al-Mulla `Ali al-Qari adding: “Al-Harith ibn Usama narrated it in his Musnad with a sound chain.” (Al-Qari, Sharh al-Shifa’ (1:102), referring to the mursal hadith of Bakr al-Muzani.). Ibn Hajar also mentioned it in al-Matalib al-`Alya.(al-Matalib al-`Alya (4:22). This hadith also came to us through another, mursal way from [the Tabi`î] Bakr ibn `Abd Allah al-Muzani. The muhadith Isma`il al-Qadi also narrated it in his monograph on the invocation of blessings on the Prophet.

**THERE IS NO DOUBT ABOUT THE AUTHENTICITY OF THIS HADITH****

2nd Hadith :
From the Sahabi Malik al-Dar:
“The people suffered a drought in `Umar’s khilafa, whereupon a man[Bilal ibn al- Harith – according to ibn Hajar] came to the grave of the Prophet (alayhi salaat wa salaam) and said: “Messenger of Allah! Ask for rain for your Community, for verily they have but perished.” After this the Prophet(alayhi salaat wa salaam) appeared to him in a dream and told him: “Go to `Umar and give him my greeting, then tell him that they will be watered. Tell him: Be clever!” The man went and told `Umar. The latter wept and said: “My Lord! I spare no effort except in what escapes my power.”

Sharh by brother superfaa:

Related by Ibn Abū Shaybah in al-Musannaf (12:31-2#12051); Bayhaqī, Dalā’il-un-nubuwwah (7:47); Ibn ‘Abd-ul-Barr, al-Istī‘āb fī ma‘rifat-il-ashāb (2:464); Subkī, Shifā’-us-siqām fī ziyārat khayr-il-anām (p.130); ‘Alā’-ud-Dīn ‘Alī, Kanz-ul-‘ummāl (8:431#23535); and Abū Ya‘lā Khalīl bin ‘Abdullāh Khalīlī Qazwīnī in Kitāb-ul-irshād fī ma‘rifat ‘ulamā’-il-hadith (1:313-4), as quoted by Mahmūd Sa‘īd Mamdūh in Raf‘-ul-minārah (p.262).
(Musannaf ibn Abi Shaybah vol.12 pg.31-32; Dalaailun-nubuwwah of Imaam Bayhaqi vol.7 pg.47).

***THERE IS ALSO NO DOUBT ABOUT THE AUTHENTICITY OF THIS HADITH***

After finishing up I said to sam4546 that these ahadith are agreed upon by all the great muhaditheenSunnah Wal Jama’ah and their qualification is of no issue. Further more, Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. has informed us that “My Ummah will not collectively agree upon an error” and according to many hadith exegesis the term ummah here refers to learned men in the religion i.e. ulama’ and not just any tom, dick or harry. It is difficult to imagine that all these great scholars would have agreed upon a lie or a fabricated narration when they are known for their great knowledge, dedication and meticulousness. I then again asked him to please not reject the narrations before passing the mic to him.

Sam4546 takes the microphone and re-quoted the first hadith I presented. After quoting it he immediately made the bold claim that…THIS HADITH IS MAUDHU’. IT IS WEAK!!! According to Al-Sarakhshi(or someone that sounds like that, his speech was not really that understandable to me, with all due respect) and then he made the great blunder of saying AND ALSO BY SHEIKH ALBANI !! after which he was immediately dotted. I went to the microphone and exclaimed rather loudly that we shall not have THAT in this room ! How dare you cancel and debunk a hadith agreed by a bench of great muhaditheen as saheeh to be weak on the basis of what the charlatan Albani said !!! I then reminded him of the hadith I quoted “My Ummah will not agree upon an error” and asked a rhetorical question who the heck is Albani to question the authenticity of any hadith that has been declared saheeh by qualified, recognised muhaditheen of Islam!?!? I went on saying that Albani made great blunders when he attempted to analyse the hadith and you call him “Sheikhul Hadith” ??? He asked me to pass the microphone to him several times to which i sternly responded saying, “I refuse to let the fans of Albani  come to the mic”. You sam4546 will just repeat the same thing ! You’re just gonna keep saying maudhu’ maudhu’ maudhu’ because that’s what Albani said. Your people accuse us of ahl sunnah wal jama’ah of doing taqleed and even go so far as to make takfir on those who say it’s wajeeb to do taqleed on a madhab(this is qualified by the scholars of Islam to mean those without knowledge or sound knowledge in the sciences of Islam) YET you do the very same thing!!! The difference is the ahl sunnah wal jama’ah do taqleed on qualified, REAL scholars of Islam while the Wahabis follow spurious personalities like Albani. When I was saying these, I was in a sort of frenzy, excited..that I have to admit. Sam4546 said that “YOU ARE ‘HIGH TEMPERED'” in reference to my tone. If anyone has heard me talking about something that I’m very passionate about, they would not have mistaken it for anger. However,  Sam doesn’t know me, so his reaction is quite acceptable. The people were asking me to let sam4546 back on the mic and brother Tridax said that “ono, give the mic to sam even if you disagree with him please” to which I responded saying ” I shall not allow the lies of the fans of Albani spread in this room “. Anyone who does not agree with my method of administering my room, may vacate whenever they please. After all, on the banner of my room..it is clearly mentioned that Lying is prohibited. To discredit a legitimate hadith on the basis of what a solitary unauthoritative individual has to say is quite a lie. Seeing that I will not placate and return the mic to him, sam4546 exited the room.

The following is a follow up in pm(private message) :
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: sam..habibi
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: i know you think i’m oppressive
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: and maybe even a coward
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: i am not
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: you see
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: i have little patience for albani fans
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: and i will not have this albani cancelling the ijma’ of the ulama’
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: let me just give you one example of this sheikhul hadith of yours
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: i suggest you look it up
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: in Irwa al-Ghalil, 6/251 number 1847
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: a narration from Ali r.a.
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: Albani had the audacity to say
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: Lam aqif ala sanadih !
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: I could not find the sanad to this narration!
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: if he had only read Imam Al-Hadith Al-Bayhaqi
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: in Sunah Al-Bayhaqi 7/121
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: apparently…your hadith doesn’t know his ulum hadith very well
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: hadith master*
sam4546: you are a joke and you know it
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Alhamdulillahi RABBIL ‘ALAMEEN. The truth prevails. Wassalam.

Sayed_Al_Farsi at it YET AGAIN!

June 15, 2007

Below is YET another exchange I had with the infamous Sayed_Al_Farsi the Imam of Wahabis over paltalk on Thursday, 6/14/2007, 2.00 pm Malaysian time.

Sayed777_7:
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: it’s downloading
Sayed777_7: is that Zhikr ?
Sayed777_7: ok
Sayed777_7: check it out
Sayed777_7: LOOK FOR THE OLD GUY
Sayed777_7: WITH LONG WHITE BEARD
Sayed777_7: watch ALL of it , and pm me when you are done, or you can run
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: ….Sayed..ur cheap attacks amuse you…don’t they?
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: you’re really discontented that you’re getting exposed
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: all the time
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: it’s okay
Sayed777_7: have you seenthe video ?
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: i can understand
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: lol
Sayed777_7: ok bro
Sayed777_7: relax
Sayed777_7: check out the video
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: i am relaxed…i always am
Sayed777_7: i apologise
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: wahabis aren’t relaxed
Sayed777_7: check out the video
Sayed777_7: ok
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: they cower behind their mubtadi’ albani
Sayed777_7: we are not
Sayed777_7: but
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: lol
Sayed777_7: check out that video
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: right…it’s still downloading
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: but the old man
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: with the white beard has appeared
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: his jumping about with a stick
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: okay
Sayed777_7: hhhhhhhh
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: and ur point being?
Sayed777_7:
Sayed777_7: its “Zhikr” brother , “Zhikr”
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: i can’t exactly decypher what they’re saying
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: dhikr
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: right
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: and?
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: alhamdulillah
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: may Allah reward them immensely
Sayed777_7: hhhhhhh … that is Zhikr ? masha’Allah
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: you’ve brought this issue up before
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: your dalil
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: apparently is youtube

**COMMENTARY:
Isn’t it peculiar, that these people allege themselves to be Ahl Hadith when in fact they are nothing more than ahl hawa’ who replace the Qur’an and Sunnah as dalil with youtube? the youtube video that he wanted me to see was this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cnmbygrhtI 

Sayed777_7: haha … ty , I will save this conversation
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: not the Qur’an or Sunnah
Sayed777_7:
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: this is the greatest bid’ah of em all ya Sayed
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: that you haven fallen into the mire
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: and perversion of the likes of GForce
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: ur dalil is no longer the Qur’an or Sunnah
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: but rather youtube
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: as i have informed you before
Sayed777_7: that is Zhikr … ty akhi , thats all I needed
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: for some infrmation
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: about movement during dhikr
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: check out my blog
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: there is an article on it
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Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: information*
Sayed777_7: can you imagine the Sahaba jumping around like that
Sayed777_7: and running around in a circle ?
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: actually…the people did Sayed
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: lol
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: as i said
Sayed777_7: Auzibillah … THINK MAN , THINK !
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: check out my blog
Sayed777_7: wow
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: you’ll find a hadith there
Sayed777_7: haha … keep going bro
Sayed777_7: this is great
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: quoted from the Musnad of Imam Ahmad
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: lol
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: Sayed
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: you are a great rejector of hadith
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: and consider yourself a judge over the Prophet and the sahabah
Sayed777_7: Ono … so let me get this straight, the Sahaba ran around in circles ?
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: as how albani did
Sayed777_7: and jumped around ?
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: amazing
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: i didn’t say that Sayed
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: Sayed..just do me a favour
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: and read the article
Sayed777_7: ..take it easy dude , I will save this

**COMMENTARY:
Does he think I am shaken that he’s saving THIS conversation which I have taken the liberty of posting on my own blog? lol..Does he think he has finally “caught” me in a wrong? Even if I am in the wrong in regards to THIS particular issue…now which is worse, apporving an “innovated” way of doing dhikr to Allah s.w.t. e.g. praising him whilst jumping or something the effect(though this isn’t bid’ah as has been elaborated in an article on this blog) as the wahabis would put it OR REJECTING authentic Sunnah and calling them corrupted and declaring the sahabah to be mushrik??? na’udhubillah(Refer to the other conversations and exchanges i’ve had with this Wahabi Imam Sayed_Al_Farsi).

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: educate yourself
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Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: so will I bro
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: lol
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: so will I
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: it shall appear on my blog
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: as usual

Sayed_Al_Farsi AGAIN!

June 15, 2007

The following is a record (with my comments) on what transpired in my room on paltalk at about 1 to 3 am, Malaysian time, Under the section of Social Issues, Humanities called “The Science of Tasawwuf is the Heart of Islam”. The room is open daily for about 12 hours per day. A wahabi by the name Taifat_Al_Mansoura came into the room on a high and mighty pedestal and started rocking the room with his slanders and disinformation.

****Taifat_Al_Mansoura is no other than the famous Sayed_Al_Farsi as I later came to know****
“Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: are you Sayed?’
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: lol
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: anyway..yea..you are on my blog
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: ya
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: how did you know ?”

The “prodigal son” enters

Taifat_Al_Mansoura: Auzibillah
terminator01: brilliant
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: you guys need to get a life
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: who is this
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: hamza Yusef ?
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: Sheikh Hamza Yusuf
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: yes

**COMMENT:
I was playing an excerpt from a talk by the eminent Sheikh Hamza Yusuf on the mic when this person barged in. Without the slightest show of ‘adab e.g. greeting the people in the room with the salam, he started ridiculing the room.

Taifat_Al_Mansoura: lol …they guy who said 9.11 firefighters are mujahidden ?
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: rofl

**COMMENT:
This is the usual cheapest attack all the wahabis can and will conjure up against Sheikh Hamza Yusuf. There is a full response to this provided on this blog by Sheikg GF Haddad at http://neosalafism.blogspot.com/2007/05/httpwww.html . Basically, when Sheikh Hamza Yusuf called those kuffar fire fighters “MUJAHIDEEN”, contextually, he meant it in the linguistic aspect of the word and was obviously not referring to the technical or shar’i connotation the word carries. The firefighters involved strove, struggled and even lost their lives in their commendable efforts in saving the lives of the civilians on 9/11. They “strove and struggled”…in that sense they were mujahideen for the word SIMPLY means those who strive. These perverted wahabis clearly have a hidden malicious agenda when they try to misquote and tarnish the image of a qualified scholar of Islam.

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: …
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: not this again
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: loL
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: Taifar
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: do me a favour
AS-SOMALI 3: lol
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: and yourself
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: I hope you guys do know
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: calling upon other than Allah(swt) for help, is major Shirk
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: check out my blog http://neosalafism.blogspot.com …that concern of yours is thoroughly responded to
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: this is EXACTLY what the Pagans of Mecca did

**COMMENT:
Calling upon other than Allah for help is major shirk??? If I want, I could rationalise over this. But, I think it’s best if I just produced some hadiths since these people allege themselves to be ahl hadith.
Tirmidhi relates, through his chain of narrators from ‘Uthman ibn Hunayf, that a blind man came to the Prophet (alayhi salaat wa salaam) and said, “I’ve been afflicted in my eyesight, so please pray to Allah for me.” The Prophet (alayhi salaat wa salaam) said: “Go make ablution (wudu), perform two rak’as of prayer, and then say:
“Oh Allah, I ask You and turn to You through my Prophet Muhammad, the Prophet of mercy; O Muhammad (Ya Muhammad), I seek your intercession with my Lord for the return of my eyesight [and in another version: “for my need, that it may be fulfilled. O Allah, grant him intercession for me”. “The Prophet (alayhi salaat wa salaam) added, “And if there is some need, do the same.”Was THIS BLIND MAN NOT SEEKING THE HELP OF ANOTHER BESIDE ALLLAH I.E. THE PROPHET S.A.W.???? IS THIS WAHABI SUGGESTING THAT OUR BELOVED PROPHET S.A.W. COMMITTED MAJOR SHIRK BY APPROVING THIS ACTION OF ASKING SOMEONE BESIDES ALL FOR HELP???? You see..the help was asked to another besides Allah, BUT NOTE that the goal was Allah s.w.t. Himself. The Prophet was used as a means to get through Allah s.w.t , and this is known as TAWASSUL which is an issue made complicated by the wahabis. Allah s.w.t. says “Have fear of Allah and SEEK THE MEANS(Al-WASEELAH) of drawing near to Him, and strive in His Way, so that hopefully you will be successful.” (Qur’an, 5: 35) . How reliable is the hadith provided?
Tirmidhi has stated that the hadith of the blind man is “a hadith that is well or rigorously authenticated, Moreover, Baihaqi related the hadith by way of Hakim and confirmed that it was rigorously authenticated (SAHIH), Hakim having related it by a chain of transmission meeting the standards of Bukhari and Muslim, which the great muhadith Dhahabi confirmed, and Shawkani cited as evidence. The men of the hadith’s chain of transmission are known to top Imams of hadith such as Dhahabi, Ibn Hajar, Hakim, Baihaqi, Tabarani, Ibn ‘Abd al-Barr, Shawkani, and Ibn Taymiya. This hadith was also recorded by Bukhari in his “al-Tarikh al-kabir”, by Ibn Majah in his “Sunan”, where he said it was rigorously authenticated (SAHIH), by Nasa’i in “Amal al-yawm wa al-layla”, by Abu Nu’aym in “Ma’rifa al-Sahaba”, by Baihaqi in “Dala’il al-nubuwwa”, by Mundhiri in “al-Targhib wa al-tahrib”, by Haythami in “Majma’ al zawa’id wa manba’ al-fawa’id”, by Tabarani in “al-Mu’jam al-kabir”, by Ibn Khuzayma in his “Sahih”, etc.That’s an instance of calling upon the Prophet s.a.w. when he was alive..now what about after he passed away?
“The people suffered a drought in `Umar’s khilafa, whereupon a man[Bilal ibn al- Harith – according to ibn Hajar] came to the grave of the Prophet (alayhi salaat wa salaam) and said: “Messenger of Allah! Ask for rain for your Community, for verily they have but perished.” After this the Prophet(alayhi salaat wa salaam) appeared to him in a dream and told him: “Go to `Umar and give him my greeting, then tell him that they will be watered. Tell him: Be clever!” The man went and told `Umar. The latter wept and said: “My Lord! I spare no effort except in what escapes my power.”
Related by Ibn Abū Shaybah in al-Musannaf (12:31-2#12051); Bayhaqī, Dalā’il-un-nubuwwah (7:47); Ibn ‘Abd-ul-Barr, al-Istī‘āb fī ma‘rifat-il-ashāb (2:464); Subkī, Shifā’-us-siqām fī ziyārat khayr-il-anām (p.130); ‘Alā’-ud-Dīn ‘Alī, Kanz-ul-‘ummāl (8:431#23535); and Abū Ya‘lā Khalīl bin ‘Abdullāh Khalīlī Qazwīnī in Kitāb-ul-irshād fī ma‘rifat ‘ulamā’-il-hadith (1:313-4), as quoted by Mahmūd Sa‘īd Mamdūh in Raf‘-ul-minārah (p.262).
(Musannaf ibn Abi Shaybah vol.12 pg.31-32; Dalaailun-nubuwwah of Imaam Bayhaqi vol.7 pg.47).

Is Al-Sahabah Bilal Bin Harith also a mushrik???? astaghfirullah !

This is the clarification from a great Hanafi faqih :
Those who call on them intending “tawassul” cannot be blamed. As for someone who believes that those called upon can cause effects, benefit, or harm, which they create or cause to exist as Allah does, such a person is an idolator who has left Islam – Allah be our refuge! This then, and a certain person has written an article that tawassul to Allah Most High through the righteous is unlawful, while the overwhelming majority of scholars hold it is permissible, and the evidence the writer uses to corrobrate his viewpoint is devoid of anything that demonstrates what he is trying to prove. In declaring tawassul permissible, we are not hovering on brink of idolatory (shirk) or coming anywhere near it, for the conviction that Allah Most High alone has influence over anything, outwardly or inwardly, is a conviction that flows through us like our very lifeblood. If tawassul was idolatory (shirk), or if there were any suspicion of idolatory in it, the Prophet (Allah bless him and grant him peace) would not have taught it to the blind man when the latter asked him to supplicate Allah for him, though in fact he did teach him to make “tawassul” to Allah through him. And the notion that tawassul is permissible only during the lifetime of the person through whom it is done but not after his death is unsupported by any viable foundation from Sacred Law [“Rudud ‘ala abatil wa rasa’il al-Shaykh Muhammad al-Hamid]

This guy Taifat has been duped and confused by the likes of Albani. For further clarification on the issue of tawassul proceed to http://www.sunnah.org/publication/encyclopedia/html/tawassul.htm
and http://www.ummah.net/Al_adaab/tawas_nuh.html

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: Taifat…you’ve never asked anyone for help in ur life?
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: they claimed “these our our intercessors”
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: you guys have fallen into the trap, the same trape the Xtians fell into
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: when you a child…you never asked help from ur mother?
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: lol
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: How evil is the plotting and traps of Satan
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: you were*
waheedn: hey adam can i ask u a question? cause i forgot….
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Taifat_Al_Mansoura: You cant asked help from the Dead
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: only Allah(swt) is Omnipotent

**COMMENT:
This has been answered above. In addition, the dead e.g. Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. is asked at their grave sites. Not just anywhere.

AS-SOMALI 3: taifat easy man
waheedn: can u tell me the definition of prophet and messenger again?
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: lol..nobody asks the dead for help Taifat
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: The saints cant hear you , they cant even help themselves

**COMMENT:
This ignorance is answered by the hadith again.
1.
Narrated Ibn ‘Umar:
“The Messenger of Allah spoke to the People (buried) in the Well saying: “Have you found out that what your Lord had promised you is true?” then someone exclaimed: “Are you calling out to the dead!” The Prophet replied: “You do not hear better than they do, except they do not respond.”[Sahih Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 23, Number 452]
2.
Narrated Anas bin Malik: Allah’s Apostle said, “When (Allah’s) slave is put in his grave and his companions return and he even hears their footsteps, two angels come to him and make him sit and ask……. . Sahih Bukhari, Volume 2 Book 23, Number 456 2. and Sahih Muslim, Book 040, Number 6862 . If the dead can even hear ur footsteps, how is it that they do not hear your voice by Allah’s will?

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: the saints can’t hear you?
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: Ono ..sure they do
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: what saints first of all?
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: and why can the dead not hear you?
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: would you like hadith on that?
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: Tasawwuf = Intercessio = Help = Worship
**COMMENT:
Now, what sort of ignorance is this? I ask someone to please show me one place where the scholars of Islam have said that Tasawwuf equals Intercession? This person obiously does not know what he’s talking about, hence the title of the article. And by the way dear readers. Help does not mean worship either.

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: LOLLL
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: subahanallah
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: wb Tridax
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: That Hadeeth is for a particular situation ,at a particular time, for a particular people
Tridax: Taifat you need to go to elementary maths class.
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: what hadith Taifat?
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: stop worshipping the graves and saints

**COMMENT:
This is the hight of their ignorance. Accusing Muslims of worshipping graves and “saints” when none of us commit such heretical blasphemy.

Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: LOL Tridax
AS-SOMALI 3: ws
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: you will be answerable to Allah(swt) on the day of judgement
AS-SOMALI 3: taifat we know
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: Ono … we all will be

**COMMENT:
Does he take the people in the room for kids? We will all be answerable to Allah s.w.t. Can anyone be more obvious?

AS-SOMALI 3: just shut it taifat
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: stop worshipping the graves , this is ridiculous
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: you say in your Prayer – Iyyakanabudo wa Iyyakanastaeen
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: -even you even pray at all
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: Ono ..did The Prophet(pbuh) ask Abraham(as) for help ?
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: call upon the servants of Allah(swt) ?
waheedn: u mean like angels?
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: lol
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: Ono ….its OK to call upon Jinn for Help ?
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: Auzibillah

**COMMENT:
Whoever asks for the help of Jinns in the room?..I haven’t the slightest clue.

Taifat_Al_Mansoura: waheed their Hadeeth are fabricated and mis-interpreted

**COMMENT:
While this transpired in the room, we offered no exact hadith to substantiate our position. So, how does this person know that the hadeeth we rely upon are fabricated when we didn’t even present one for our case? I wonder if he’s a student of “Sheikhul Hadith” Albani Al-Kadhab ?

Taifat_Al_Mansoura: Ono …you have never done so , but its OK ?
waheedn: to be honest taifat i dont go with the hadith just the Quran

**COMMENT:
Waheedn is a “Quranist” i.e. rejector of hadith. May Allah guide him.

Taifat_Al_Mansoura: Allah(swt) guide you people , you may probably be in Major Shirk , you have fallen into the same trap of the Xtians unofortunately

**COMMENT:
What trap have we fallen in I pray?

Taifat_Al_Mansoura: Allah(swt) guide you
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: Ameen

**COMMENT:
AMMEN Allahumma Ameen.

terminator01: she is gone
terminator01: lol

When truth is hurled against falsehood, falsehood perishes, for falsehood is by its nature, bound to perish.” Qur’an Al-Isra 17:81